A number of SoCon 08 attendees have found they 'met' a new friend at the event this past weekend. It seems that Jack Scherer of The Sales Group (sorry no link for you), subscribed all the attendees to his sales newsletter. Nice.
Jack, in your e-mail to me you said we recently 'met'. I'm really sorry, I don't remember meeting you. Of course it could be my bad....I did meet a bunch of new people at SoCon08 and sometimes I forget names. So....if you could refresh my memory about when we 'met' and 'talked':
1. What did we talk about?
2. During our 'meeting' what did I say that lead you to believe that I'd be interested in receiving your sales newsletter? I mean I don't remember saying, "Hey, if you have some great spam on sleazy sales tactics, I'd love to read it."
Thanks in advance for refreshing my memory.
Of course there is another explanation. We never met, and your initial sales pitch to me is based upon a lie. Great way to get new business :-)
Update: A few minutes later and a Google search for "Jack Scherer" shows this. Um...wow.
Update 2: On April 29th I received the following e-mail from Jack:
Josh,
I am responding to your blog listed on my website (www.salestalent.com) on 2/14/08.
1) I met you after your presentation at the SoCon08 at Kennesaw. We spoke about e-marketing and its application to the recruiting industry. My wife was with me and our conversation lasted about 90 seconds.
2) I was sitting in the front row of the auditorium and was introduced by a friend and a client. After that introduction, I raised my hand to speak and I mentioned that I was interested in meeting people during the conference who had recruiting techniques that were passive in their approach. I mentioned that we were in the sales recruiting and sales training business and that we were interested in other techniques for recruiting candidates, other than using Monster and Careerbuilder. I also said that we publish a monthly newsletter, Driving Profit, which I emailed to the database from the SoCon08 list.
3) As a result of my presentation, I met some very interesting people. One was an attorney who then visited us in our office. I spent two hours with him, giving him marketing ideas to help him launch his new business. There was NO fee for my service.
4) I am not a liar. Quite to the contrary. Consider the following…
a. Elected to the parish council of my church for 3 years
b. Director of a Career Ministry for the last 7 years that helps people network through our church. This ministry has helped many people in their quest to network and refine their job-seeking skills
c. I have provided numerous sales and marketing seminars for the following colleges and associations, as well as many businesses:
- University of Georgia
- Georgia Tech
- Kennesaw State University
- Furman University
- National Association of Women Business Owners
- SHRM (Society of Human Resource Mangers)
- GAPS (Georgia Association of Personnel Services)
- Georgia Society of CPAs
- TAG (Technology Association of Georgia)
d. We have received excellent reviews from these associations and organizations. For specific comments, please visit our website at www.salestalent.com
e. The newsletter that we publish was the driver for my new book “21 Laws of Sales Success” which will be published this year.
In conclusion, I do not feel that your blog is a fair portrayal of Jack Scherer and The Sales Group. I would appreciate it if you would remove this blog by April 30th. It creates a negative image of The Sales Group which has earned a fine reputation during the last 17 years in business.
I responded to Jack that I don't remember talking to him, but what concerned me was that a number of people received similar e-mails/pitches. I also said that I don't remove blog posts, but that I would be willing to post his response, which I have.
I think overall, the larger issue at hand is that he doesn't seem to feel that e-mailing all the attendees was a bad thing. I (as well as other commenters) disagree.















Visitor Comments
One of my favorite moments of SoCon:
Speaker asks everyone in the room, "How many of you receive email newsletters?"
Every hand in the room goes up.
Speaker asks, "How many of you read them?"
Two or three hands go up.
Posted by: Joeventures | February 14, 2008 12:15 PM
So I wonder who the intermediary is who actually did all of this and thought it would be a good idea. Publicist for the book? Marketing department? PR firm?
Posted by: Dave C. | February 14, 2008 12:28 PM
i'd like to order a venti hyku google juice, please.
you now have mr. scherer's attention. much better than spam!
Posted by: kris | February 14, 2008 12:36 PM
Google's indexing pretty stinking fast these days. Less than 2 mins.
Very nice. :)
And the spammer in question will only notice if he's paying attention. I'm thinking it's even odds he's not. Seems to me like he's stuck in the old media "push" mentality rather than the socia media "share" mindset.
Those folks typically aren't very conversation oriented.
Posted by: Chris Cree | February 14, 2008 12:47 PM
Ok, Dave C. - speaking as one, I'll vouch that usually it's the p.r. person's fault. But come ON...this is beyond even lowly p.r. standards. Strangely, I received no response to this email...
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Betsy Yates
Date: Feb 13, 2008 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: SoCon08 Meeting
To: jackscherer@salestalent.com
Hi Jack,
I'm sorry...in which SOCON session did you and I talk?
On 2/13/08, Jack Scherer
wrote:
>
> It was good meeting with you at the SoCon08 Conference. The Sales Group is
> a sales performance agency – focusing on sales recruiting and sales training....
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Posted by: betsy | February 14, 2008 12:52 PM
Betsy -- in no way am I defending the practice no matter who did it. Just wondering how it actually happened. If anything if he allows a PR firm send out "personal" emails as him then both the agency and the client are at fault. At first I thought maybe The Sales Group was a local firm that just doesn't know any better and Jack was a "real person" who himself engaged in this practice. Now I think Jack at some point probably hired a person, people, or firm to use his name and pretend to be him to promote his book and practice, so more like a franchise than an actual human being.
Posted by: Dave C. | February 14, 2008 1:00 PM
Ha ha ha... outstanding...
Posted by: Sean O'Shaughnessy | February 14, 2008 1:00 PM
Betsy,
I too emailed him back after his first note and never did hear anything. Am not surprised. I recall him standing up during the first session during the "revival" portion of the event when everyone was going around saying what they had learned in the past year. He basically gave a sales pitch then. I get the sense he and his wife are a 2-person shop and are behind the learning curve.
Posted by: Sandi Solow | February 14, 2008 1:07 PM
I've been signed up for numerous "news"letters after attending trade-shows or expos- but have fortunately never received the ol' "it was good meeting you" intro.
Incidentally, a further google search provides this page (http://www.salestalent.com/21-Laws-of-Sales-Success.html) of interesting info on your spammer...
Posted by: Zach | February 15, 2008 4:21 PM
Hey Josh,
I'm really sorry about this. I always worry about this type of stuff when we produce a list of attendees. It's always a balance (unfortunately) when we're trying to connect people in a community together afterwards and then people that do crap like this.
Last year, this happened as well (not as impactful I don't think) when someone actually stole our internal signup list from one of the registration tables after it ended.
It always amazes me when people resort to these tactics to try and "sell" stuff. What amazes me is that I can only assume that it must work in some way given that they continue to do it...
Thanks for the post. Serves em well.
Jeff
Posted by: Jeff Haynie | February 15, 2008 9:37 PM
Let's not blame PR for this spam - this is an e-mail marketing/direct marketing comapny F-up. I see it all the time. It's rude and worse, it's stupid and repellent.
Posted by: Annie Heckenberger | February 22, 2008 9:50 AM